tv Nancy Grace HLN August 2, 2009 10:00pm-11:00pm EDT
breaking news tonight in the sudden death of music superstar michael jackson. as we go to air, we learn exactly what police seize in the vegas raid connected to jackson's private doctor. tonight, the search warrants have been revealed. the documents suggest investigators believe michael jackson was an addict and it's confirmed, dea, lapd and vegas cops on the hunt for evidence connected to the powerful anesthetic propofol. both sides hammer out a custody agreement over michael jackson's children. in the last hours, katherine
jackson and debbie rowe announce a custody deal but it's not over yet. the fate of jackson's children finally resolved. the legal battle rages on over jackson's empire, now estimated at 2 billion, with a "b," dollars. >> it's simple when it comes to the children. the will is what it is. it's a will from my brother. that's the way he would have done it. that's the way he did it. >> are you ready to fight for your children? >> do not touch me! >> apparently through this agreement, i'm told she will have visitation rights but will not have custody of these children. there will be no money involved for debbie rowe in this custody agreement. >> are you ready to fight for your children? >> are you ready to get your butt kicked? don't [ bleep ] touch me. >> tonight we go live to boise, idaho as the desperate search goes on for an 8-year-old boy. where, oh, where is robert
manwell? still no sign of robert anywhere. people are still looking, not giving up hope. >> we have a single focus. that's to find robert. >> according to police, the family last saw the 8-year-old around 9:30 p.m. friday night. >> we are concerned whenever you have somebody that is that young and eventual nernl. >> somebody must believe that the child is still in the boise area. on friday they're asking 1,000 volunteers to come out to this location to search for this young 8-year-old. >> robert's family tells us, that like any other 8-year-old boy he's inquisitive and he likes to explore. sometimes he likes to check out hiding places. so, please, check the areas around your houses. check your garages, your sheds, your abandoned cars, any place a little boy may go. >> if somebody has seen him, please, please, call the police.
all we want is our little boy back. >> all we want to do is bring robert home. if you know anything, if you've seen anything, contact the police department and help us find robert. >> i'm jane velev-mitchell in for nancy grace tonight. >> this is what he said in his will pep wants his mother to serve as guardian of these children. >> the children will be fine. they're with my mother right now and my kids. and anybody that try to contest this on any level, the executors, anything, they're not living out michael's wishes. >> you want to look at what's in your best interest. they obviously have a relationship with katherine, they have cousins, aunts and uncles. any of that will be taken into
consideration. >> when she and michael jackson divorced back in the '90s she had a divorce settlement with him. it 4 been agreed she'd receive $8.5 million. that is the money she's still receiving from the estate to this day. i'm told there will not be extra money going to debbie rowe. >> we're going to take care of them and give them the education they're supposed to have. >> many developments tonight in the michael jackson case. i am holding in my hand hot off the presses, the search warrants for the raid on dr. conrad murray's home and office in las vegas for the latest details of what is contained in the search warrant, let's go to ellie jostad, "nancy grace" producer. >> what they are looking for is evidence of the charges of manslaughter, excessive prescribing and prescribing to an addict.
the other interesting thing is, they're looking for anything related to the treatment, patient records for michael jackson or 19 aliases they believe jackson may have used. those aliases include his son's name, prince jackson, frank tyson, a former personal assistant, kai chase, his personal chef and also omar arnold, an alias jackson used in relation to his health care. they are looking for informing, distribution lists, prescriptions, delivery, storage of that drug, propofol which authority authorities -- >> that is not listed for the return here, jim. we've got computer evidence, cell phone evidence. we have paperwork but i don't see propofol listed here. >> if you're the homicide detective, they go there. their priority number one is finding the propofol. it's not listed.
other good stuff but no propofol. is that in essence a defeat or does it have anything to do with the fact that we knew this raid was going to happen? >> it doesn't take a rocket scientist to figure that out. it doesn't mean they're not proceeding with the investigation. there's still other evidence -- >> i'm not suggesting they're proceeding. what is the significance of the fact that they get there and they don't find the smoking gun they are looking for? they find all these aliases, gloria allred but they don't find this smoking gun of propofol? your analysis? >> we don't have the toxicology report. we don't know yet what killed michael jackson. nonetheless, they may have discovered the propofol elsewhere or maybe they don't think it's in the location. it's a shame that it took so long to have the search warrant actually executed at this particular location. >> all right. phone lines lighting up brenda,
west virginia, your question or thought, ma'am. >> caller: hi, jane. >> hey. >> caller: what i want to know is i wonder why michael didn't try to have his own natural child? possibly maybe he might have been already on drugs and it was in his system, since she wanted to give him his children so bad. >> an excellent question. who better than bethany marshall, psycho analysis and author of deal breakers to answer it. >> that dove tails with another big story, the report out of some corridors that michael jackson may have had a love child, an omar bati, a 25-year-old aspiring rapper from norway. joe jackson is saying he has the same jackson dance and jackson walk as the rest of the jacksons. what do you make of all of that, bethany? >> i'm suspicious when joe jackson starts talking about
somebody's walk and talk, i feel like he's promoting a new album and artist. i'm suspicious of what he has to say. in terms of brenda's question, it could be that michael jackson, you know, we found out in the trial, it could be he's not sexually attracted to age bait. did he not want to share parenting with another parent. maybe he was a divisive sort of character. the idea of sharing parenting, making joint decisions, having a loving relationship with someone of the opposite sex who was an age mate did not fit into his orientation and lifestyle and that's why he had the children on his own. >> i want to get back to the search warn the we just obtained. and the focus on dr. conrad murray, the physician who was with michael jackson when he was found basically without a pulse and not breathing. let's bring in the attorneys,
richard herman -- you're not a doctor. defense attorney and mr. cohen, defense attorney. analyze the fact they go first to the houston office and then six days later and according to some reports it was because they were having a power struggle because the various law enforcement between l.a. and las vegas. six days later they raid the las vegas home of dr. conrad murray. they find a lot of stuff. they don't find the smoking gun of propofol. richard. >> it's a huge mistake on their part. no matter what happened in terms of a power struggle or anything like that, when you serve a search warrant in one area and wait six days and serve a search warrant on another area of the same individual, it doesn't take a genius to get rid of evidence. not saying did he. but he had six days to get rid of it. it was a huge mistake on their part. i don't know how it went down in
terms of a power struggle. whenever they do raid, they coordinate, boom, boom, they mitt them at the same time. this person can't call that person, say get rid of the evidence. >> it's an element of surprise. if it doesn't have the element of surprise, does it accomplish anything? >> it doesn't. you can call me doctor if you'd like, no problem. >> dr. richard, go ahead. >> that's consistent with the fact that they never secured the crime scene in a timely manner. there were stories of moving trucks taking things out of the house after he died there. it's ridiculous. jane, they found canisters of oxygen littered throughout his room, all over the house. the room was like a hospital setting. they found i.v. bags with material in those bags. and that's what they're going to point to, they're going to say that conrad murray injected him with that flow and that caused the breathing to stop, caused the cardiac arrest and it was gross negligence for him to do that. there's the manslaughter charge.
>> when you read this list of aliases, it would be funny, except it's tragic. i mean, you have aliases like josephine baker. you have aliases like jack london, the author of "call of the wild." what is going on here? you knew jackson. is this some kind of inside joke? >> michael jackson was always a joker, that's for sure. he was creative as we could see here. i would say that he was a troubled soul at certain points in his life. when he came across certain things that would tell the world i'm not as perfect as i'd like to be, then he became creative, as i mentioned. let's keep one thing in mind. michael jackson has done so much, so good to the world. it would lead one to believe -- one would have to think, hey, listen, this guy still -- the
good outweighs the bad. >> i'm sure a lot of people believe that. i loved his music. tonight, are you "nancy grace's" number one fan? plead your case and send us your extraordinary story. prove to us that you are nancy grace's biggest fan. we are looking for submissions that stand out. if we choose your submission and read it on the show, you will win an autographed copy of nancy's new book, the 11th victim. and have a chance to meet nancy in new york city on the set. i can tell you, that is a lot of fun. go to cnn.com/nancygrace.
michael jackson's personal physician may not be a suspect right now but he's certainly being treated like one. >> dr. conrad murray had his las vegas home searched along with his office. >> we can confirm to you, the dea, lapd, los angeles metro police all there. >> after allegations dr. conrad murray gave jackson the drug that killed him, what are the feds looking for. >> are there lot numbers? are there purchase orders? did he have correspondence with michael jackson? what phone calls did he make the
morning of michael jackson's death? >> they want to get personal computers and laptops, e-mail files, financial records, wire transfers, anything that can show business being contacted between two people. >> being a bad doctor or abusive doctor and someone who is a murderer. >> it's the same basic statement, they say they're completely cooperating with everything. they say today they cooperated at the house where murray was help hadding them find items that they were searching for. >> i'm jane velez mitchell in for nancy grace, hot off the presses. this is the search warrant for the raid on dr. conrad murray's las vegas home and office. and the return which is basically up for what they took. it's fascinating. we go to melanie bromley.
they took image of hard drive, hard drive from pc, phone message book, cd with the name omar arnold on it. that was one of michael jackson's favorite aliases. they took an iphone, green binders, miscellaneous paperwork. how are they trying to connect the dots back to the swaying at that rented mansion where michael jackson was found without a pulse and not breathing? >> well, basically they're trying to collect as much evidence as they can until the toxicology comes out so they have everything in place depending so they can make a decision at that time as far as what they're going to do. they're looking to see if he has -- exactly what michael was taking. and what this doctor's role in michael jackson's death was. that's why they're trying to gather as much evidence as they possibly can. >> natasha, delaware, your question or thought, ma'am?
>> caller: hi, jane, i'm a big fan. i've been watching this since it all started. i remember in the beginning they said dr. murray was not licensed to write prescriptions in the state of california. now if that were true would he not have already been charged with that? >> well, gloria allred, they are trying to get their case together. we hear that the autopsy results keep getting delayed. first they said it was last week, then it's this week, now it's next week. we don't know when it's beginning to happen. they are trying to fashion their case so when they do release the autopsy results, i would think whatever else they're going to do in terms of law enforcement legally, they're ready to do it. wouldn't that be correct? >> perfect analysis, jane within as usual. i would totally agree, even if they felt they had some evidence sufficient to charge him with at this time or sufficient to charge someone else with, that they would wait until they had all the evidence and charges they are going to make and make them all at one time.
>> now, peter boaz, you're the bbc correspondent. what's fascinating about the search warrant it was signed on the 24th. it was not executed until four days later on the 28th. there have been published report that are from tmz that cnn cannot confirm, it was a jockeying for who's in charge and that was partially the reason for this delay. what do you know? >> well, you know, when you get multiple organizations involved in an investigation like this, there are often conflicts of interest in terms of who is leading the investigation. who is taking the key role. that may or may not well be a factor here. i don't know. what i do know is that i spent a lot of time trying to distinguish between fact and fiction and speculation in this case. at least this search warrant
gives us a few facts and a few significant phrases like they were looking for evidence of finding drugs that are being used or given to an addict. that phrase addict is used in relation to michael jackson. we heard last week when we heard about the search warrant, the word manslaughter used. we're piecing together this jigsaw very slowly. clearly, like has already been said, we need to wait for the results of the toxicology tests. we don't know when they will be. i spoke to the coroner's office yesterday. they said we'll give you hours notice, whenever that happens to be.
we are here inside the operating room of dr. gershon, chief of anesthesiologist here. propofol is a medication he uses all the time. >> we have to monitor his ekg, his co2, we have to make sure he's breathing, his saturation. >> that's all typical stuff? >> standard of care, yes. >> okay, so the propofol -- >> we're going to start infusing this. you're going to get a little
sleepy. give me some good deep breaths. >> five, four, three, two, one. >> his eyes closed and what else are you looking for? >> he stopped breathing. so this is watching his co2. he's not breathing anymore. my wonderful method is going to help him breathe. >> there you can see part of the problem. with that much propofol there, he stopped breathing. he's going to need a breathing tube. take a look over here. all of the breathing is taking place with this bag and mask. >> it's basically a quick on/quick off. that may answer why people may think it's something they could use at home. because if it gets out of hand it goes away quickly. the problem is if it gets out of hand and there's nobody there to resuscitate you, nobody could bring you back. >> it's worth pointing out this is a hospital that uses this medication thousands and thousands of times a year. they do use this medication in non-hospital settings, like outpatient clinics. the doctors here tell you they've never heard of it used in a home. >> i'm jane velez-mitchell in for nancy grace. hot off the presses. we are going through it as we speak. just got it.
the search warrant and return for the raid on the las vegas home and office of dr. conrad murray. that, of course, the doctor who was with michael jackson the day he died. i know ellie jostad, nancy grace producer, has been thumbing through this at rapid speed. what else have you got for us, ellie? >> we learned not only were the dea, lapd and las vegas police there looking for anything regarding michael jackson's treatment, they were also looking for correspondence with other doctors. they list six of them here. dr. klein, who we've heard about before, michael jackson's personal dermatologist. i assume the same dr. klein. dr. metzger, dr. adams. dr. mark tadrisi, dr. randy rosen. also, any correspondence with aeg. that's the group that was promoting michael jackson's concerts in london. or also the nurse practitioner, cherilyn lee. she's the woman who claims that michael jackson was begging her for the drug propofol. >> let me clarify. you're saying they were looking for any correspondence related
to those people or did they find correspondence related to those people? >> they were looking for it. it's not clear if they found it, but they were looking for any correspondence with michael jackson or any of those aliases as well as the doctors i just mentioned. >> of course, the timeline on the day michael jackson died extremely crucial. let's listen to the personal chef who was there that day. >> around 12:00, 12:10, dr. murray comes running down the stairs and into the kitchen stairwell into the kitchen. he comes into the kitchen screaming, hurry, go get prince, go get security. dr. murray is screaming something may be wrong with your dad. we're all panicking and wondering what's going on. paris is screaming and crying daddy, daddy, daddy. i'm driving in my car. i hear on knx, mr. jackson is pronounced dead. >> dr. kerry peterson. internal medicine, lennox hill hospital, thank you for your patience. you've been listening to all of this. the big question, of course, why
didn't, when the paramedics arrived, they immediately take michael jackson into an ambulance and do all their work on him on the way to the hospital? dr. conrad murray was the doctor in charge. so he had the authority. he said to them, stay there for 42 minutes to work on michael jackson without a pulse, without breathing in the home. what do you make of that decision? >> well, what i would gather when it comes to resuscitation, time is of the essence. you don't have seconds to spare when someone is not breathing. presumably dr. murray was in a panic at that moment because he had attempted resuscitative efforts unsuccessfully and he was probably not thinking very rationally at that time. when ems arrived they would administer cpr immediately right there in the bed and would transport him as they were doing the cpr along the way. so i imagine that their emotions were running very high but the ems was very well-qualified to do what they're trained to do. >> dr. peterson, you're thinking like a doctor.
vince velazquez, think like a homicide detective since that's what you are. in terms of this timeline, and, remember, he hasn't been charged with anything. he's cooperating, he says, with authorities. we're not trying to say anything about him. the timeline is a big question, mark. the chef said normally he would come down the stairs with two oxygen tanks at around 10:00 every morning. the morning michael jackson died he did not come down the stairs until a little bit after noon. he didn't call 911 until 12:22. now, if nothing was wrong, if nothing was untoward that morning, why wouldn't he have come down the stairs at 10:00? if he was upstairs and something was wrong, why didn't he call 911 at 10:00 instead of at 12:22? >> absolutely. this timeline is crucial and the fact this chef made this statement is going to be crucial. all those people in the house, security, are going to add to this fact.
this doctor was really in a panic. he did not do what he was supposed to do. >> is it a panic or could investigators be looking at the possibility, richard hermann, bradford cowen, let's start with richard, that there was something untoward going on? you know how they say the cover-up is worse than the crime. i'm speaking hypothetically, of course. >> what he has to gain out of this, i don't think so, jane. i think, like everyone's saying, he went to a panic, tried to resuscitate him. he didn't have the drug there, narco, which you should have had to give him and reverse the diprivan. he was all alone. i don't know what his experience has been with diprivan. i don't know how many people he's given it to, how he administered it. obviously the doctor went into a panic, but we don't know at what point in time michael jackson stopped breathing. it could have been closer to 12:00 when he stopped breathing. we just don't know. so much speculation, jane. >> bradford cowen, time of death in the autopsy report, then, is going to be crucial. >> yeah, and it's going to be difficult, in terms of deciding between 30 minutes and 40 minutes.
i mean, you're talking a difference of an hour and a half, maybe an hour. in terms of time of death, that is going to be difficult to place in regards to that. i mean, you're going to have experts on either side. this is so far down the road if he even gets charged with it, but if he gets charged with it, you have experts on either side saying time of death was this time, time of death was that time. an hour is a very difficult thing to put a time of death in regards to because of the way the body decomposes and reacts. >> it's going to be interesting to see what is the smoking gun? because reports are that diprivan was found there, but how are they going to connect that necessarily the illegality on his part? we know it's unethical, perhaps, to administer this powerful surgical knockout drug in the home. is it illegal, gloria allred? >> well, it may very well be. if, in fact, it was administered and the administration of it was
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could mean big trouble. i'm jane velez-mitchell in for nancy grace. we have just obtained the search warrant and return for the raid on dr. conrad murray's las vegas home and office. at the very same time, we're learning more disturbing details about dr. conrad murray's past. let's go out to peter bowes, pbs bbc correspondent. you and i covered the trial together in santa maria. we spent a lot of days hanging out at the courthouse. what can you tell us about dr. conrad murray's problems? >> according to court documents he does have problems. there are judgments against him to the tune of $435,000. he's in danger again, according to documents that have been published of perhaps losing his home to foreclosure. we know he was earning a significant amount of money from michael jackson.
there's been debate as to whether he was actually paid over the last couple months of michael jackson's life. here is a man who seems to have had some financial issues. whether at the end of the day the financial issues have anything to do with the real issue at the heart of the matter, how michael jackson died, whether anyone is criminally liable for that, i don't know. it may be a completely different separate issue. >> let's bring in the attorneys, richard herman and bradford cohen. richard, will this be a factor in this case against him that he's facing foreclosure? even though he owes a $1.65 million home? and that he's had these liens and he's had judgments against him, and he had a bankruptcy in '92? is that just water under the bridge and irrelevant? >> jane, as a lawyer, you know that's going to be irrelevant. they're not going to let that in. it's going to muddy the waters. we have to go to the facts here. what happened in that mansion? what happened that day? what did this doctor do? did he prescribe medications? what's the issue with diprivan? was diprivan provided by this doctor in a lethal dose?
that's the issue. >> i don't know about that. >> go ahead. >> i don't completely agree with him. it's not completely irrelevant if they can link it to the motive. the motive is this. if you're a state attorney, you can sit there and say to yourself and give it to the jury, and say, listen, this doctor was blinded by the light. he needed the money, he was enamored by the stars and he gave him whatever he wanted, and that included this illegal drug, diprivan or propofol. however you want to say it, and that's what we're looking at. i don't think it's completely irrelevant. i think they could link it to the case with a smart state attorney, and i think it would be completely legal to do it. i don't think they could throw it out there and say it's irrelevant. >> gloria allred, i have no independent confirmation of this. there are published reports that in '94 conrad murray was arrested on domestic charges after an incident with his then girlfriend. he was acquitted, however. is that totally irrelevant? is that something we should chuck that and say he's acquitted? so what?
>> i don't think it's frankly relevant to this particular investigation, but i think it's interesting. i mean, we're talking about the court of public opinion. in the court of public opinion, everything about dr. murray is interesting. also, by the way, not only did he administer propofol, but how did he administer it if he did administer it? did he stay in the room with the oxygen? did he leave? did he fall asleep? what, exactly, happened in that room? and those are questions that are going to need to be answered. >> thank you. fantastic panel. we're going to switch now. switching gears to a really heart-wrenching story about a missing 8-year-old boy. he's been missing six days now. in a case out of boise, idaho. listen. >> if you've seen him, call the police and help us to bring him home. >> he was last wearing a faded blue t-shirt and just like a typical 8-year-old he was wearing a spiderman design, blue jeans and dark tennis shoes.
>> still no sign. he's been missing since friday. wandered off around 10:00, 11:00 p.m., the official word from boise police. hasn't been seen since then. >> robert is still missing, but we remain hopeful for robert's safe return. the family members who are behind me are cooperating fully with investigators as we continue to pore over the leads and put together a timeline for young robert. >> boise police say they are following more than 100 leads in this case. there is no evidence to indicate robert has left the area. at least his family continuing to reach out to this community. >> this is robert's bear that has always been close to his heart. our family would love to reunite them together. please do what you can to help. >> oh, that teddy bear breaks my heart. the desperate search goes on for this 8-year-old idaho boy who vanished without a trace. let's go straight out to natalie
hearst, reporter with cnn affiliate kbci. what is the very latest? >> reporter: all right, jane, well, here's the very latest. the situation has changed in a sense of volunteers, citizen volunteers were asked to stay home today. the reason why? was because the idaho national guard volunteers along with boise police were out on foot, patrolling the area, looking for clues of robert manwill. >> let's talk a little bit about what's going on in this neighborhood. greg hahn, you're the editor of "the idaho statesman." i was shocked to hear that they've already talked to 120 sex offenders in a two-mile radius of the boy's home. what the heck is going on with 120 sex offenders within a two-mile radius of anybody's home? >> i don't know how unusual it really is. that's kind of a scary thing. i think it depends on the affordability of the neighborhood. these are often folks, it's hard to get a job i'm sure. at that point, and this immediate neighborhood is a little lower income than the
rest of the town. there's more people who rent. there's a higher percentage of rent. we pulled up the census from ten years ago. there was zero percentages of homes valued at over $200,000 in this immediate area. it's not a, you know -- a lot of people living there. >> greg, i've got to ask you, give us a little bit of the troubling back story of this family. >> yeah, you know, we've -- the mother has had some trouble. she's on probation right now. she was -- pleaded guilty to what she said accidentally hitting her infant's head on a table. the state sort of countered that a little bit. she's been on probation. they actually took the baby away. her husband -- or her boyfriend has been in trouble for various things, burglary -- >> i thought that was a boyfriend. >> the boyfriend, yeah. the boyfriend she lives with. >> all right. >> the saddest thing of all, on the dad's side web lost his son,